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reshie108

Hi friends

we are very busy preparing for our landing and are trying to make sure that we have everything covered.

For those of you that landed recently with kids, how did you arrange the car seats the day you landed.

We are planning to take a cab to our AirBNB accomadation, do the cabs have kids car seats?

What did others with kids do?

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reshie108

Hi friends

we are very busy preparing for our landing and are trying to make sure that we have everything covered.

For those of you that landed recently with kids, how did you arrange the car seats the day you landed.

We are planning to take a cab to our AirBNB accomadation, do the cabs have kids car seats?

What did others with kids do?

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Nelline

I believe you can ask for the cab to have car seats but it needs to be arranged in advance. When hiring a car from the bigger companies you can usually also "rent" some car seats for an extra fee.

When myself and our (they 4yo) landed, my husband was already in the country and he'd shopped for a car seat in advance. Do you know anyone who would be prepared to do that for you? You can shop online and have them delivered to someone who would bring them to the airport? Otherwise you can also book their current car seats in as checked baggage, we did that the one year when visiting SA on holiday.

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Vizsla

Car seat rental will cost as much as a car seat.

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GrantM

Why not take them with you? @CobusJ brought their when they came to do their landing and it wasn't a problem.

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CobusJ

Yep, we just booked it in under fragile and it was waiting for us in the airport after we landed.

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tarinerk

Hi @CobusJ

Was it part of your luggage allowance? Or did you take it above and beyond your allowance?

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CobusJ

Hi @tarinerk, it was part of our luggage allowance, but with a baby you have a bigger allowance. I guess each eairline would be different here but we were not even close to our maximum allowed weight.

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MargueriteE

Hi. I read on the driving regulations that the only car seats accepted by BC has to be Canadian with the safety sticker on. How did the transition go? Were flying in 7 days with a 3yo..? Do anyone know the booster seat regulations? It's quite a costly item so I don't want to buy something that's not accepted..? Any advice...? 

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JohanR

For ontario children under the age of 8, or shorter than something like 1,4m or weighing less than x amount have to be in a canadian approved seat not past its expiry date. Kids safety is of utmost priority to the government. You get in big trouble if toddler is found not being in seat. Costs around $250 and up for decent models

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Nelline

https://www.tc.gc.ca/en/services/road/child-car-seat-safety/choosing-child-car-seat-booster-seat.html

Transport Canada's information on child car seats and booster seats

 

My kid is fairly tall for his age and stopped using a booster seat at age 7

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On 9/6/2018 at 2:30 PM, MargueriteE said:

Hi. I read on the driving regulations that the only car seats accepted by BC has to be Canadian with the safety sticker on. How did the transition go? Were flying in 7 days with a 3yo..? Do anyone know the booster seat regulations? It's quite a costly item so I don't want to buy something that's not accepted..? Any advice...? 

For 3 years you'll still need a full carseat. It's still recommended that children stay rear faced up to 2 years or as long as possible.  Car seat restrictions are different in Canada and the States so make sure the seat is Canadian certified. 

I recommend looking at the Carseats for the littles Facebook group. It's run by technicians and they're super helpful with any information you need. 

Personally I bought a convertible car seat and thats good for quite a a few years. Amazon had it on sale for 250$ (Graco Extend2fit) mine doesn't have a booster seatbut we'll only worry about getting one when our daughter is much older. We plan on keeping her forward facing until she reaches the maximum weight as per the manufacturer recommendation (30kg), a booster is like 50$ so not that expensive. Also it's not recommended to buy a carseat second hand for safety reasons. 

@Nelline has provided you with a good link.  

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Lizelle

Pfft.  When was the last time anyone has actually seen a police person looking at the sticker on the seat?  

My son is 7 this year.  I bought him a European car seat when he was born.  I wanted to keep him rear-facing for longer than what the Canadian car seats allow for (I think he was about 4 when I turned him forward-facing).  And then his car seat can be turned around and that works great too.  He is still using it today (he has long ago stopped needing it, but he likes it, and it keeps his head comfy when he falls asleep).

The European one is not Canada approved.  I believe it is safer, so I did not worry about it.  No-one has ever asked to see the sticker of the car seat.  

Also, in Alberta, there is no actual car seat law for kids older than 6 (https://www.albertahealthservices.ca/injprev/Page4842.aspx)

This is the extent of the rules here:

"It is the driver’s responsibility by Alberta law to ensure that passengers under 16 years of age are buckled up correctly. For children under 40 lb (18 kg) or under 6 years of age, the law states the following:

An appropriate child safety seat must be used.
The child safety seat must be correctly installed in the vehicle.
The child must be properly secured into the seat."

This is what the law in BC looks like: (https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/transportation/driving-and-cycling/road-safety-rules-and-consequences/seat-belts-car-seats-booster-seats#childseat)

"Child Seating and Restraint Systems
Many children are not tall enough to wear a seat belt safely. For this reason, all drivers must ensure young passengers are properly restrained — protective seating types change as a child gets older, taller and heavier.

There are four stages of child seating and restraint systems in total:

Infants: required to sit in rear-facing car seats until they are at least 12 months old and over 9kg (20 lbs)
Toddlers: required to sit in forward-facing car seats when the child is at least a year old and over 9 kg (20 lbs). They should continue to be buckled into this type of seat until they are 18 kg (40 lbs)
Under 9: required to be in booster seats with seat belts when the child is under nine years of age or until they have reached the height of 145 cm (4’9”) tall
Youth: A properly adjusted seat belt is the last stage for anyone over 9 years age"

 

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Lizelle

If you have a car seat that you are using now, and you like it, and it is feasible to bring it, I would do that.

Notice that the BC law does NOT state that you have to use a Canadian certified seat, only that you need to use A car seat.

I have never ever been asked to prove anything with my car seat.  And reading the law tells you why.  It is not a requirement to have a Canadian certified car seat..  The only reason things get Canadian certified is for the manufacturer to be allowed to sell the car seat in Canada.  That does not mean that it is of a different quality or standard than one from South Africa or US or Europe.

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MargueriteE

@Lizelle Hi. I found this link. What do you make of this? 

https://www.icbc.com/road-safety/safer-drivers/Pages/Child-car-seats.aspx 

I also happened on this link with goods that is illegal to bring into CA. (See under appendix C - restraint systems and booster seats)

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/consumer-product-safety/reports-publications/industry-professionals/canada-consumer-product-safety-act-guide.html#a12

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/motorvehiclesafety/safedrivers-childsafety-notices-2007c09-menu-353.htm

What I also finds strange is the ban on children's sleepwear? Possibly a flammable or safety issue. My husband is of the opinion that they probably don't check every seat or car but the problems start when you're in a accident...? 

Maby I'm making too much of this. 

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MargueriteE

Thanks again for all the comments, advice and links posted. 😁

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Lizelle
7 hours ago, MargueriteE said:

@Lizelle Hi. I found this link. What do you make of this? 

https://www.icbc.com/road-safety/safer-drivers/Pages/Child-car-seats.aspx 

I also happened on this link with goods that is illegal to bring into CA. (See under appendix C - restraint systems and booster seats)

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/consumer-product-safety/reports-publications/industry-professionals/canada-consumer-product-safety-act-guide.html#a12

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/motorvehiclesafety/safedrivers-childsafety-notices-2007c09-menu-353.htm

What I also finds strange is the ban on children's sleepwear? Possibly a flammable or safety issue. My husband is of the opinion that they probably don't check every seat or car but the problems start when you're in a accident...? 

Maby I'm making too much of this. 

The first link is just a suggestion, or a recommendation. If you are buying a seat in Canada, check that it has the stamp. It is not the regulation that’s put into the legislation on the provincial level.

The second one is interesting. The wording says: “it is illegal to import and use in Canada a seat that does not comply with Canadian standards” - you can go through the standards and check that your seat complies.

Your husband is probably correct, though. If you are in an accident, and you want to claim insurance payout for medical stuff, you will have a much bigger fight on your hands. If you can prove it complies you can force the issue, but this adds time and stress.

It may not be worth the added stress for you at the start of your journey to have to worry about this. 

You can check on Walmart, their car seats are very reasonably priced. https://www.walmart.ca/en/baby/car-seats/N-1146

Canadian Tire also have car seats: http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/automotive/car-safety-security/car-seats-accessories.html

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M-N
22 hours ago, Lizelle said:

That does not mean that it is of a different quality or standard than one from South Africa or US or Europe.

Actually the car seats are different between the US and Canada. A big difference is that the US carseat don't have the top anchor required for forward facing seats. The top anchor is an extra safety measure.  US and European roads aren't the same as Canadian roads. The seats here are specifically tested for Canadian circumstances. 

It's not even about legalities, it's about safety.  Personally I would NOT risk it because of convenience. These regulations are there for a reason.  

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Lizelle

:) My car seat was a heck of a lot safer than the standard Canadian ones.  That is why I did not worry about not buying the Canadian one.  Plus, a lot of the regulations are definitely NOT about safety, but convenience, which is why car seats in Canada are turned forward facing at a year.  That has nothing to do with safety.  It is in fact a lot less safe than backwards facing.  It is simply not something that people want to do in Canada, and thus the regulations make a compromise, and try to make it as safe as they can within that constraint.

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Nelline

Recommendation is to keep rear facing until 2 years and then for "as long as possible" - @Lizelle what do you base your comment on "car seats in Canada are turned forward facing at a year" on?
This is worrying

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Lizelle
5 hours ago, Nelline said:

Recommendation is to keep rear facing until 2 years and then for "as long as possible" - @Lizelle what do you base your comment on "car seats in Canada are turned forward facing at a year" on?
This is worrying

- BC's regulation

Infants: required to sit in rear-facing car seats until they are at least 12 months old and over 9kg (20 lbs)
Toddlers: required to sit in forward-facing car seats when the child is at least a year old and over 9 kg (20 lbs). They should continue to be buckled into this type of seat until they are 18 kg (40 lbs)

- Alberta just says kids have to sit in a car seat.

- Saskatchewan (though there is a bit that says rear-facing is better, the actual rules are): (https://www.sgi.sk.ca/carseats)

Kids can move to a forward-facing seat when they:

are at least 1 year of age
weigh 9 to 30 kg (20 to 65 lb.)
can walk unassisted

- Manitoba (https://www.gov.mb.ca/health/hep/injury/booster.html)

No actual age or weight recommendations.  It simply says to follow the weight limits on the seat.  

For forward facing:

"Once your child reaches the weight and height limits of their rear-facing seat, they can move into a forward-facing seat."

- Ontario (http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/safety/choose-car-seat.shtml)

"Ontario's Highway Traffic Act requires children to use a rear-facing car seat until the child weighs at least 9 kg (20 lb.)."

Only says it is best to keep rear=facing until the manufacturer limits are reached.

- New Brunswick (https://www2.gnb.ca/content/gnb/en/departments/jps/public_safety/content/drivers_vehicles/content/booster_seats.html)

1 - Rear-facing seat

Use a rear-facing seat until a baby is at least one year old and 10 kg (22 lbs)

- Nova Scotia (http://childsafetylink.ca/toddlers/car-seats/car-seat-laws/law-nova-scotia/)

Rear-Facing Car Seat 

Infants must be secured in a rear-facing seat until at least one year old and 10 kg (22 lb)

- PEI (http://childsafetylink.ca/children-five-and-up/safety-in-the-car-car-seats-and-booster-seats/car-seat-and-booster-seat-laws/law-prince-edward-island/)

Rear-Facing Car Seat
Infants from birth weight to 10 kg (22 lb) and a minimum of one year of age must travel in a rear-facing child restraint seat.

 

And from the Transport Canada website: https://www.tc.gc.ca/en/services/road/child-car-seat-safety/choosing-child-car-seat-booster-seat.html

"Stage 2: forward-facing
Children who have outgrown their rear-facing seat and weigh at least 10 kg (22 lb) may ride facing the front in a child car seat.

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Lizelle

Contrast that with Norway car seat regulation - "Children under 4 MUST be in a rear-facing car seat"

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Lizelle

These are recent Alberta Health Services RECOMMENDATIONS, not the law

"Car seats, rear-facing

• Previous recommendation

o A baby should stay rear-facing until he/she is at least 1 year of age and 22 lbs and walking.

• New recommendation

o A child is safest staying rear-facing until he/she is at least 2 years of age or reaches the maximum weight or height limit of the rear-facing seat, as stated by the manufacturer. o A rear-facing seat provides the best protection for a child’s head, neck and spine in a sudden stop or crash. o Many rear-facing car seats are designed with higher weight and height limits beyond 2 years of age, these models are preferred."  

(https://www.albertahealthservices.ca/assets/healthinfo/ip/hi-ip-pipp-ahs-recommendations-for-child-passenger-safety.pdf)

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M-N
37 minutes ago, Lizelle said:

These are recent Alberta Health Services RECOMMENDATIONS, not the law

"Car seats, rear-facing

• Previous recommendation

o A baby should stay rear-facing until he/she is at least 1 year of age and 22 lbs and walking.

• New recommendation

o A child is safest staying rear-facing until he/she is at least 2 years of age or reaches the maximum weight or height limit of the rear-facing seat, as stated by the manufacturer. o A rear-facing seat provides the best protection for a child’s head, neck and spine in a sudden stop or crash. o Many rear-facing car seats are designed with higher weight and height limits beyond 2 years of age, these models are preferred."  

(https://www.albertahealthservices.ca/assets/healthinfo/ip/hi-ip-pipp-ahs-recommendations-for-child-passenger-safety.pdf)

These are minimum requirements or guidelines though. I have not seen or met any parent who has not adhered to these recommendations though without good reason.  

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Lizelle

Maybe. It is not the culture in Canada to keep kids rear-facing any longer than they absolutely have to. This is a new recommendation. 

People may start out agreeing with two years now, but there are plenty of “good reasons” to ignore that after the kid turns one (especially if the law says you are allowed). Clicking a kid in in winter in a rear-facing seat is a lot harder than forward facing. Not to mention that you have to take off their boots when you get in the car, and then put them on when you get out. Or the seat is annoying rear-facing because your front seat pushes on it. Or the kiddo starts getting fussy about being rear-facing at 1 1/2 and you decide that you had him rear-facing for longer than the law said anyway.

Just like we all know breast feeding for at least 1 year (2 years are better) is best, and most moms start out wanting to do that, the average is 6 months. Life tends to get in the way unless the culture is different.

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