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Far too many dont vaccinate

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Guest Petros

One of the issues that really surprised me last year and which has become topical once again (most recently the Disneyworld epidemic case) is the tendency for some parents not to vaccinate their children. This was not a massive issue in SA but here for some or other reason a handful of idiots are placing the society at risk.

Last year the Fraser Valley had a mini epidemic. This year some idiotic parents took their unvaccinated kids to Disneyland and have caused an epidemic. So please make sure that your kids are vaccinated to protect them against this stupidity.

This link is to the Time magazine article on the doctor who lost his license.

http://healthland.time.com/2010/05/24/doctor-behind-vaccine-autism-link-loses-license/

This link on the Fraser Valley epidemic

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/largest-measles-outbreak-in-30-years-ends-in-fraser-valley-1.2624598

This link on the Disneyworld epidemic.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/disneyland-measles-outbreak-why-one-mom-recommends-vaccination-n292561

Take care vaccinate and be safe.

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OutOfSa

Weird because my kids are not allowed at school if they don't have all their shots. (Excluding the flu shot.).

This is in the GTA, does BC not enforce the same thing? The girls even have a compulsory HPV jab.

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Guest Petros

Exactly ---- can u believe the utter stupidity.

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AnelleR2008

In Ontario you only have to sign an affidavit that you have a conscience or religious objection to vaccinations. The form is available on the health unit site. Then it is handed in to the health unit. They keep it on file. If there is a real outbreak they may request your child to stay at home for the duration, but no school can deny your child if they are not vaccinated if you have signed the form. As far as I know it is similar in BC.

I don't discuss the choice to vaccinate or not vaccinate online, but I thought I would just clarify that.

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Tracey22

we had whooping cough at our school. i wrote to the school board trustee to complain - why the heck are children allowed in school without vaccinations, and are now endangering my child. Her response - we cannot enforce vaccinations.

What interests me though, is that this family vaccinates their dogs, but not their kids? WTF????

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Old Van

This is just my opinion, based on observation. It seems the more Westernized and "progressive" and "free thinking" people become, the more they think they're smarter than common sense. So in my mind they actually become more stupid whilst thinking they are fast reaching the pinnacle of modern humanity. :)

And what Tracy said above, is another observation I've made. Animal (and especially pets) life becomes more important than human life. :rolleyes:

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Guest Petros

Tracy I cannot agree with you more. I am astounded at the mind numbing level of absolute stupidity that the anti -vaccinators show and their complete disregard for the greater community. In a recent mini debate I mentioned that an anti-vaccinator pretty much falls in the same category as the Taliban/ISIS/ Boko Haram when it comes to beliefs about health and vaccinations. The reply I got was --- umm well lets say pretty much on par with what one would expect from someone who is happy to and who willingly places their community at risk with their actions ----- but its ok becasue I blocked them and killed the debate. One cannot argue with extremists of any type.

Those idiots (Taliban etal) and their anti-vaccination stance have basically allowed polio to resurface in a number of countries (a disease that we all thought pretty much eradicated). Whats next small pox?

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Eva

In Ontario you only have to sign an affidavit that you have a conscience or religious objection to vaccinations. The form is available on the health unit site. Then it is handed in to the health unit. They keep it on file. If there is a real outbreak they may request your child to stay at home for the duration, but no school can deny your child if they are not vaccinated if you have signed the form. As far as I know it is similar in BC.

I don't discuss the choice to vaccinate or not vaccinate online, but I thought I would just clarify that.

That is correct Anelle, vaccinations are not compulsory in BC. The school my girls attend did not even ask for their records.

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OutOfSa

That is correct Anelle, vaccinations are not compulsory in BC. The school my girls attend did not even ask for their records.

Wow, this is very interesting - our school would not accept our children when we arrived until they had proof that we had all the child vaccinations up to date..! They never mentioned anything about being able to by-pass the process. They simply said if we could not prove that they had had all their shots, they could not attend school... They warned us that they would simply send them home.

We had proof of some and not others - so they ended up getting a whole bunch much to their horror.

And it's the same every year, a letter demanding proof of specific vaccinations is sent home. We never thought to question this.

Interesting - I am also learning new things everyday.

If you want to blame someone or something for the recent surge in educated people stupidity, I think you need look no further than the internet. Everyone is a specialist in any topic they choose, and there are a billion bored people willing to hang on their every word.

In the old days the doctors knew best, now everyone knows everything - NOT!

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AnelleR2008

Those who choose to not vaccinate would have the signed form on file. The form is not offered, however :) :) Once that is on file they should no longer receive the letter demanding proof of any vaccines. However, it still happens. High school students may also be offered a "mature student letter" which they may sign to receive the vaccine if their parents declined the vaccine. HOWEVER, they may not choose NOT to get vaccinated should their parents consent. Health unit workers can search out unvaccinated students to offer them these mature student letter options.
BTW, you could have asked that they did titers for your children to see which diseases they had immunity to and for them not to be re-vaccinated. It usually only takes a few days to get results.

To me the issue of vaccination vs. non-vaccination, is the same as educating our children as we see fit, it is the same issue with govt deciding how many children a family should have, it is the same issue of being allowed to drink raw milk or not, it is even the same issue I have with pro-choice or pro-life, the same issue I have with freedom of speech vs being overly polite and not speak your mind.... it is all about freedom of choice. And that choice should be protected because once govt has the right to take away the rights we move onto a very slippery slope. So, regardless of where I stand on this topic, I won't be name-calling or comparing others to terrorists, I won't be making sweeping statements, I won't be presuming that I know what other people know, have researched or their reasoning for the decisions they make. The truth is that there are reasonable people on both sides of the debate, and there are people who are rabid name-callers and those making assumptions on both sides, too. Nothing brings out the crazy from both sides like a vaccination discussion :D :D :D

Sometimes you have to side with choice, even if you HATE the options that means people have.

I vowed not to get involved in a vaccine debate and I stand by that.

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Eva

Thanks for the information about the forms, Anelle, I was also not aware of that. That is the amazing value of forums like this - to share information.

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Ingrid Brunkhorst Hurrell

we had whooping cough at our school. i wrote to the school board trustee to complain - why the heck are children allowed in school without vaccinations, and are now endangering my child. Her response - we cannot enforce vaccinations.

What interests me though, is that this family vaccinates their dogs, but not their kids? WTF????

Read an article today re. some American paeditricians who are no longer treating kids who aren't vaccinated.

They refer the parents to other drs. who will take them.

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Guest Petros

I stand by my statements regarding vaccination 100% and the fact (yes fact) that vaccinations save lives. Any other opinion is groundless and frankly dangerously ignorant. I will debate it and fight against those who propogate the stupidity in all instances. Home education, raw milk, abortion and the myriad of other debatable issues are just that debatable ----- none place my family at risk. So if some parents choose to home study their kids or drink raw milk good for them at worst they may (I say may not will --- so chill) end up with a massive case of diarrhea and less educated children that does not affect my life or those of the community around me.

But one unvaccinated child can infect and kill hundreds.

Anyone for a dose of smallpox ----- thats the future scenario if the ignorance breeds further.

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AnelleR2008

Petros, I have no issue with your opinions. But since we're being so frank here: I do have an issue with your rudeness and your assumption that your opinion is the only right one. This has been evident in other threads, too, where you make sweeping statement, name-call, and think the ruder you are, the more valid your point is.

I refuse to get into a debate with you simply because I prefer to debate intelligently and I don't play tit-for-tat. And also because I struggle to trust your ability to research, debate and discuss after your "attack" on homeschooling where you insisted that your anecdata and opinion overrides research.

And I don't need to chill. Nothing you have said has ever offended me in anyway or gotten me riled up. I choose more important issues to get passionate about.

Maybe we need get back to focusing on what this forum is really about and that is certainly not about vaccinations except in the scope of what is required here in Canada. And I believe I've clarified that in this thread already.

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Hendie

I am closing this topic now, but I am letting it remain because I feel it's a good example of NOT debating an issue on SACanada. Petros, you are not promoting your side of the argument with the accusations and assumptions of others' intelligence the way you have done here. So, in future please respect others' opinions and for goodness sake tone down your conversation; we get it that you're passionate about it!

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