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  1. Received a job offer in Kamloops BC and employer submitted LMIA application. Job has been advertised for 3 months and should have a positive result. What is the suggested immigration route? Work visa first then PR/EE once we landed and settled or PR/EE from the get go? Family of 4. Any guidance/suggestions will be appreciated.
  2. Timestamp 6:24pm EST The SINP EE stream opened today with 400 spots and remains open up to now. You do not need a job offer to apply for the stream. Make sure your occupation is on the list of in-demand occupation (revised Jan 4) - More info here -
  3. Nala

    Express Entry Draws 2017

    Help!!! First draw for 2017 seems to have resulted in invites for all scores 468 and above .... including me Im at a bit of a loss though - having submitted my profile almost exactly a year ago ... I have since moved on with my life and naturally the idea of moving to Canada became a distant maybe ..... in the very far future. The invitation came as a huge surprise. It would seem that a change in November resulted in increased scores for education???? Anyone else on this forum included in the first lot of 2017 invites??
  4. Melanie Ferreira (Dezines)

    Application in BC, lower points and general advice

    Hi all, need some advice/opinions please. We met with an immigration agent on Friday to look at our qual and points etc. Hubby did his IELTS on Friday and sent in his degree into WES, so waiting on that. I will be doing my IELTS end Oct. According to the agent, we qualify with 73 points to go into the EE pool but from there we only have 385 points which limits us quite a bit. My husband's NOC code is 0213 (IT Management). If we try and improve our points, it will only go up with 20 and then down with 10 as he gets one year older next year (he is 40 currently) The recommendation was to look at BC, as they have a shortage with their fairly new BC Tech Pilot program. Is there anyone on this forum that has gone through this program and can give any input or thoughts? We really wanted to look at Toronto (or anywhere really where we can find a job). We've heard that BC is crazy expensive and not a good option. Happy to focus just on BC but it would have been great if we could have had a bigger net to throw open.... Would be grateful for your advice/opinion/share of your personal experience!
  5. Hi everybody, this is my first post but I have been browsing the forum for quite a while now, picking up all the tips as I go along, thank you. Yesterday, I submitted my EE profile which should have resulted in around 436 points. My wife and I have both done the IELTS tests and have received our results. I have had my degree (mechanical engineering) certified by WES, and my wife's is in process of being certified. I have more than 5 years work experience as well. This morning there was a message on my cic account stating that my application does not meet minimum requirements for EE! Anybody have experience with an issue like this? Can I appeal the rejection? Regards
  6. Hi all, I haven't seen much information yet with regards to South Africans applying for Permanent Residency (PR) via the Express Entry program from inside South Africa. This post is intended to share my experiences from before the application to the permanent residency being granted, hopefully it will help some people. Sorry about the very, very long post. I have tried to be as detailed as possible, but I am sure I have forgotten many things along the way. If anyone has any questions I'll gladly try help. To set the context with which I was applying. I am a 26 year old male and applied as a single person via the Federal Skilled Worker (FSW) category as a Mechanical Engineer. I live in Johannesburg and am a South African citizen. Preparation to enter the EE pool: Before entering the EE pool I had to get various things in place. I will describe these below. Language test: I did the IELTS English test (one can book at this link: For a PR application one needs to do the "General Training" version of the test. I live in Johannesburg but did the test in Pretoria as an earlier test date was available. Results take 13 days to be released, they were posted to me at my stated address. Test date - 2015/02/28 Test cost - R2 400 Education Credential Assessment (ECA): I decided to use World Education Services (WES) (see to do my degree conversion because it seemed to be the quickest and cheapest. I had to send copies of my degree certificates to WES (I did this by registered letter. If I were to do it again I would use a courier, for the sake of speed and traceability). I also had to get my university to send my academic transcripts directly to WES (WES supplies a form that you fill in and give to provide the faculty office with the relevant information). WES indicated 20 working days to perform the degree conversion, I seem to remember that it took about this length. I have a BSc and MSc in Mechanical Engineering from Wits University. These degrees were valued at an equivalent level by WES. Registered letter cost - less than R100 Transcript request and couriering - around R300 Degree conversion cost - 200 CAD Delivery fee - 7 CAD (I chose standard delivery. Courier delivery is 85 CAD) Police clearance: Although not necessary to enter the EE pool, I applied for police clearance now because it is needed for the actual application and I had heard stories of it taking a couple months to be received. I applied at a normal police station and it took about a month to receive (see for instructions). A police clearance certificate is required for every country, other than Canada, that one has lived in for six months or more. One thing that I came across was that some countries required more than just a police clearance certificate (Australia for example). The requirements of each country can be seen at Cost - less than R100 Entering the EE pool: Once I had all of the above mentioned things in place (except for the police clearance certificate) I could enter the EE pool. This all worked out pretty easily for me. I had a CRS score of 456. To create an account and enter the pool you start from here: Invitation to Apply (ITA): I received my invitation to apply on 2015/03/27, which was very exciting as the application can start moving forward from this point. The application: In order for one to submit the application one needs to get a medical done and get a police clearance certificate. I had already received my police clearance certificate as mentioned earlier (a police clearance certificate for the country you currently live must be issued within 6 months of your application). One also has to get proof of funds, proof of work experience, proof of education, digital photograph, and scans of one's ID and passports. Medical: I called a few medical physicians and the earliest appointment I was able to get was in two weeks. I can't quite remember what I needed to take to the medical but they will let you know. One can find a CIC approved physician to perform the medical at The physician enters all your medical results onto an online system which the CIC has access to, so I never actually saw my results. One just needs a "Proof of medical" form (or the IMM 1017B upfront medical report form) from the physician which you upload during the application. Cost - R2 051 Date of medical - 2015/04/15 Police clearance: As mentioned above. Proof of funds: One has to prove to the CIC that you have the minimum required funds (see As far as I know, these funds have to be readily available, so can't be in the form of property or the like. I have an investor who manages my unit trusts and the like, so I got them to write a signed letter on their company letterhead indicating when they opened each of the unit trusts and accounts for me. They attached six months of statements from each of my unit trusts and accounts. I then got my bank branch (Standard Bank) to write a letter on their letterhead indicating when I opened my accounts with them. They were very helpful and willing to do so. They also attached 6 months of statements (with the branch stamp on each page) for each account. I scanned in all these documents with a cover page summarising what I had in each account, the total value in ZAR and an equivalent in CAD (although I am not sure that this is strictly necessary). I indicated the exchange rate I used and the date on which I did the calculation. I saw a case where an application was refused because the required funds were "gifted" to the applicant by his father. This showed up in his six months of bank statements. I am not 100% sure but I think one can have funds gifted to you, but you then have to prove that you are not just borrowing this money. Proof of work experience: The CIC requires proof of your current and previous work experience. This is done by means of a reference letter and pay slips (where available) from your current and previous employers . The reference letters should contain the following: Printed on the company letterhead. Company’s contact information (address, telephone number, and email address). The signature of either your immediate supervisor or personnel officer. The business card of the signing person is also required. All positions held at the company. Job title. Duties and responsibilities (make sure that these match those specified by the National Occupation Classification (NOC) (see on your application because I saw a couple applicants get rejected because these did not match). Job status. Dates worked for the company. Number of hours worked per week. Annual salary and benefits. All the documents should be scanned into a single file (a separate file for each work experience) It proved to be a little awkward having to ask my current employer to write me a letter to help me immigrate, but I supposed it must be done. Proof of Education: Here I scanned my degree certificates and my WES results into a single PDF file. A mistake that people commonly make is that they only upload their WES results, it seems the CIC actually want your degree certificates. Digital Photo: The specifications for the digital photo are as follows: Dimensions: The final frame size of the photo must be at least 35 mm x 45 mm (1 3/8" x 1 ¾"). The photographs must show the full front view of the head, with the face in the middle of the photograph, and include the top of the shoulders. The size of the head, from chin to crown, must be between 31 mm (1 ¼") and 36 mm (1 7/16"). Digital dimensions are often expressed in pixels or DPI (dots per inch). The physical dimensions in pixels must be at least 420 x 540 Quality/Resolution: If an existing photo is being scanned, the minimum resolution must be 600 pixels per inch. File Format: The file may be submitted in JPEG or JPEG2000 format File Size: The final size of the image should be ideally 240 kB (kilobytes), but not less than 60 kB.Colour: The image must be in colour (24 bits per pixel) in sRGB colour space which is the common output for most digital cameras.National ID: I scanned in the information page of my South African ID book. Passports/Travel Documents: I scanned the information page and pages containing Visas that I had received in the past for both my current and my previous passport (I only have one previous passport). I scanned each passport into a separate PDF file and upload both of them separately (I am not sure if you have to upload your previous passports, I did just in case). Application: Many of the fields in the application are carried over from the application to the EE pool, but there is still quite a lot of information to be filled in. After all the forms have been filled in the above mentioned documents need to be uploaded. Payment: After the application is complete you can submit and arrive at the payment page. You have the option of paying the processing fee and the Right of permanent residency (RPRF) fee, or just paying the processing fee. If you pay just the processing fee you will be requested to pay the RPRF at a later stage when your application has progressed further. I selected to pay both fees now in an effort to save time. When it came to the actual payment I was using a Standard Bank credit card and the payment kept failing. I called Standard Bank and they said they could see that attempts were made to charge the card but could not tell me why it was not going through. I tried different browsers to no avail. I considered taking out a credit card with Virgin money just to make this payment, but I eventually borrowed a friend's Canadian credit card and that went through without a hitch. Processing fee – 550 CAD RPRF – 490 CAD Application submitted - 2015/04/24 Application incomplete: After my application was submitted I was going through the submitted forms and saw that the table of my family data was empty. I immediately sent an email ( and a case specific enquiry ( with this missing information to the CIC. I got no response, but am assuming they added this information to my file. The wait: The wait was the most nerve wrecking part as I had no control over the progress of my application. All I could do was sit and wait for the various statuses to change. There are two places where application updates are shown: MyCIC and on ECAS (〈=en). Below I outline the various statuses of my application. Acknowledgment of receipt (AOR) - MyCIC: The AOR is a letter that is sent to one's MyCIC account. You'll get an email indicating that there is an unread message in your MyCIC account. You then have to log in and download the message as a PDF file. I received my Acknowledgement of Receipt (AOR) letter the day after my application was submitted. Some people receive this a couple minutes after submission, others a couple days afterwards. Date of AOR - 2015/04/25 Medical Passed: My medical passed status happened about a month after I received my AOR. I can't remember the exact date. Date of medical passed - approximately 2015/05/25 A day or so after my medical passed my ECAS status changed to "Application Received" In Process - ECAS My ECAS changed to "In Process" on 2015/06/19. Background Check "In Progress" People often worry because their background check status remains at "Not Started" for a very long time. Mine only changed to "In Progress" on 2015/08/25, about two weeks before my PPR. On other forums it seemed that inland applicants (inside Canada) had their background checks start and complete relatively soon during the process. I think that outside applicants' background checks are also started early but their status' only get updated later due to the EE system being very new with some kinks that still need to be ironed out. Maybe this will be corrected in the future. Date of Background check "In Progress" - 2015/08/25 Decision Made - ECAS My ECAS changed to "Decision Made" with no indication as to the favorability of the decision. From what I have read on other forums this does not mean that the decision has actually been made but means that things are being finalised. I have however only seen one case where an applicant was rejected after their ECAS status changed to “decision made". Date of "Decision Made" on ECAS - 2015/08/27 Passport Request (PPR) As far as I have been able to understand from other forums, when one receives your PPR your application is pretty much approved and complete. All that has to happen is that the CIC needs to stick in your Visa and issue your “Confirmation of Permanent Residence” (CPR), though I tried not to get my hopes up too much before I received my Passport with Visa and CPR. Some people have received their PPR via their MyCIC account, I received mine directly via email. Mine said that I should send my passport to Ottawa, but indicated that if I am residing outside of Canada or the USA I should notify them on the given email address so that they can arrange for my documents to be issued at my Local Visa Office (LVO). I sent them an email and got an automated reply indicating that it usually takes 20 days for them to respond to requests due to a high volume of emails. I called VFS ( a day later and told them the story and asked what I should do. They asked for my application number and said that they were going to call the high commission and that I should call back in 30 minutes. When I called back and they said that I can bring my passport and two passport photos conforming to ( I delivered my passport and photos on 2015/09/11. I also paid for a courier service to return my passport to me so that I would not have to drive out to Pretoria for collection. VFS gave me a tracking number with which I could track the progress. Date of PPR - 2015/09/09 Date passport sent - 2015/09/11 Cost of Passport handling by VFS - R296.10 Cost of Courier of passport back from VFS - 105.90 Permanent residency granted and application closed On 2015/09/17 I got an email from VFS that they had received my passport. I had specified, on submission, that my passport should be couriered to me so I called VFS and they gave me a FedEx tracking number. My passport was delivered on 2015/09/04 with my CPR and a letter explaining the entry into Canada. On 2015/09/17 my MyCIC account statuses changed to application closed and PR granted. The landing The final stage is now to perform my landing in Canada. I'll explain my understanding of how this works from what I have read: One needs to perform one's landing within a year from the date of your medical. One enters Canada as one would normally enter a country requiring a Visa, using the Visa now pasted in your passport. One presents your CPR to immigration in Canada. You will be issued a Social Insurance Number (SIN). One also provides an address in Canada to which your PR card should be delivered. It should be delivered to this address in about six weeks. From now on one uses your PR card like a "Visa" to enter Canada. Total cost of Express Entry Language test IELTS test - R2 400 Degree conversion Registered letter - less than R100 Transcript request and couriering - around R300 WES ECA - 200 CAD Delivery - 7 CAD (I chose standard delivery. Courier delivery is 85 CAD) Police clearance Police clearance - less than R100 Medical Medical - R2 051 Application Processing fee – 550 CAD. RPRF – 490 CAD Passport submission Passport handling by VFS - R296.10 Courier of passport back from VFS - 105.90 Total cost of application - R17 823 (Approximating 1 CAD = 10 ZAR) On top of the total cost one obviously still needs the minimum required funds (as indicated at available to you. Timeline summary ITA received - 2015/03/27 Application submitted - 2015/04/24 AOR - 2015/04/25 Date of medical passed - approximately 2015/05/25 "Application Received" (ECAS) - a day or so after medical passed "In Progress" (ECAS) - 2015/06/19 Background check "In Progress" - 2015/08/25 "Decision Made" (ECAS) - 2015/08/27 PPR - 2015/09/09 Passport submitted - 2015/09/11 Application status "Approved" – 2015/09/17 Passport received - 2015/09/18 ​
  7. Hi all, new to this site - it is great source of information, thank you! Quick question - my wife and I have 20 years work experience at various companies and, of course, for most of them we do not have a letter of employment on file. Should we start collecting this all the way back to when we started working, or will they only check the last 10 years of work experience? Thanks!
  8. Chris_K

    Recruiter to assist LMIA

    Hi All. Just got our application in about a month ago. It seems I am considered too old... And here I thought 44 was still spring chicken. LOL... So my points are 375, so it looks like I need a job offer to make the grade. I am a senior IT professional with over 18 years experience. I would really appreciate some help in finding a recruiter that might have clients that are prepared to do the LMIA and hopefully make an offer.
  9. Coll


    Hi We are now busy getting our ducks in a row and will start applying as soon as we do our IELTS. Eek cannot believe we are actually doing this!!!! Anyway, I've got a few questions that I'm hoping you can help me with as I qualify for the express entry. I've looked at the CRS criteria and am trying to gauge how many points I can get and I've got a few queries: Section A - Core/Human capital factors - level of education - I have a bachelors degree in Accounting under ACCA and I've got a 3 year diploma in AAT as well as a year diploma in Business Computing. Would I qualify for the 'Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees. One must be for a program of three or more years'? Section B - Spouse Common Law Factors - My husband studied for a diploma in Clothing technology for 3 years after school but was one subject short of getting his diploma. We have all his papers and exam scores but unfortunately no diploma. Would he still be able to get a score of 7? He also studied for CIPC but only did 2 papers. Does this help his score? Section C - Skills Transferability factors - I have a bachelors degree in Accounting under ACCA and I've got a 3 year diploma in AAT as well as a year diploma in Business Computing. Would I qualify for the 'Two or more post-secondary program credentials AND at least one of these credentials was issued on completion of a post-secondary program of three years or longer' at either 25 or 50 points depending on my score for IELTS? What is the average score most have got for the IELTS? Would it be a long stretch to assume that if I practice and study for the exam that I could possibly get a CLB 10 or more for the IELTS? Any helpful tips on how to pass with flying colours? Rddm2017 - What is a WES? If I get a score of between 401-439 depending on the answers above. How long can I expect to wait? Looking forward to hearing from you all.
  10. CIC has released a CRS Score Distribution of EE Candidates as of March 29, 2017. This is a great read as to how many people are still in the EE pool and if you know your score, you can sort of see where you are and maybe how long the wait is still if the draw continues to happen every 2 weeks. Of course, there are always new applicants going into the pool. If we take the number of invitees that was drawn today (3753) out of below numbers and assume that all candidates above 431 was invited: 3753 - 124 - 422 - 137 -1927 = 1143 difference (rough number of new applicants that joined the pool in a week's time (March 29 - April 5). If we assume that no new applicants join the pool (highly unlikely but we can dream), it will take about 3 more draws to get the EE score down to 400. Anyways, this is just interesting read and discussion. I'll let you guys mull it over.
  11. MaryJane

    EE CRS Changes Come June 6

    Main changes coming Spring 2017: 1. if you have French language abilities 2. if you have a sibling in Canada 3. Job Bank registration will become voluntary IIRC (former CIC) will likely give you 15 additional CRS points if you can prove you have intermediate French language skills (around CLB7). IIRC will also give 15 additional CRS points if you have a sibling in Canada, who is either a permanent resident or citizen. Canadavisa article - CIC news article -
  12. Just out of curiosity... What is the average timeline from AOR until PPR lately?
  13. Take note of the new figures! Settlement funds requirement for EE has changed. Story here - CIC updated page here -
  14. MrO

    Next ITA draw?

    Hi, does anyone know when the next ITA draw is supposed to be? I was under the impression it was supposed to be yesterday (5 Oct), but there doesn't seem to be any news from CICs website about this? Slightly confused...
  15. MaryJane

    Express Entry Draws 2016

    And we are off! First draw of 2016 - January 6 with 1463 ITAs for applicants with scores of 461 and up Good luck!
  16. Jaco M

    Six month mark EE PR

    Hi everyone, So today is the 6-month mark after submitting my PR application via EE. Was wondering how many people - if any - waited longer than 6 months for the final decision on their applications? I heard the CIC website had trouble handling the traffic load after the US election results. Don't know how true this is, but hopefully, it doesn't delay my application. I'm really keen to kickstart this adventure and hope to receive good news soon. Thanks for all the friendly help I have received on this forum. Jaco
  17. Change is coming November 19, 2016.... Read here for the details: The following changes are notable for job offers: A qualifying job offer is now worth 200 points if the offer is in an occupation contained in Major Group 00 of the National Occupational Classification. A qualifying job offer is now worth 50 points if the offer is any other qualifying offer of arranged employment. there will be new ways of being awarded either 50 or 200 points without the need to obtain a LMIA (though points will continue to be awarded to individuals with a new or existing LMIA) The following changes are notable for Canadian education: 0 points, if the foreign national has a secondary school educational credential; 15 points, if the foreign national has an eligible credential from a one-year or two-year post-secondary program; and 30 points, if the foreign national has either: an eligible credential from a post-secondary program of three years or more, an eligible credential from a university-level program at the master’s level or at the level of an entry-to-practice professional degree for an occupation listed in the National Occupational Classification matrix at Skill Level A for which licensing by a provincial regulatory body is required, or an eligible credential from a university-level program at the doctoral level. Changes to ITA submission deadline: Candidates will now have 90 days to submit an application after they receive an ITA.
  18. Angiedoo

    BC PNP and EE

    Hi All, I finally got invited to apply for BC PNP and I paid my fee today, I am now waiting for their decision. I have an open EE profile that shows no PNP at this time. The problem is my OWP expires 27 December 2016 and it could take 2-3 months for a decision to be made... should I wait for the decision or apply for a bridging OWP in the meantime or should I apply for that now while i wait for the BC PNP decision?
  19. For the life of me, I cannot update my Express Entry profile to reflect that I have PNP, can someone please help me. I submitted my profile but want to know how to update it or do i have to redo the whole thing? Thanks, Ange
  20. momof3


    Hi everyone. Say im the main applicant, points a bit low, and then hubby get the job offer it shouldn't be a problem if he's not the main applicant.
  21. Hey all, I think I'm in the final stages of this long process, but something has happened and I don't know whether I should be nervous or not. I got my ITA on 13 Jan and sent my paperwork through 11 March (Police clearance FTL >.>). I got asked to pay my RPRF 27 April (most expensive birthday present of my life) and then, checking every so often as you do, I logged on on 4 June to see this: Application/profile status Closed Review of eligibility Passed Review of medical results Passed Review of submitted documents Provided Scheduling an interview A background check is needed Complete Final decision This application has been approved So that was all the yay! Best news ever! But, it's been about a week now and I haven't got my PPR Letter. In fact, I haven't gotten any messages of any kind. It didn't even flag me that they had updated my profile, I found it because I check obsessively. I have some big questions to answer at work so I know I have to have patience but my work life is bottle-necking. The supervisor at my job is leaving at the end of the month and I don't want to be there without her because I will be the last sucker left holding the bag. I want to leave about the same time as her, but I can't justify resigning if I don't have concrete proof that I'm into the last stages of emigrating. To explain why I would need to justify resigning and to whom: I live with my parents at the moment. They pay 95% of my bills so I can save all the money I'm earning to take with me, on condition I am actually earning money. I can't become the unemployed layabout if I can't prove there is an end in sight. IE. I have resigned to sell up stuff, find work that side and book a ticket. So back to the main question: how long should it take for the PPR letter to come through? Anyone have any insights? Am I worrying for nothing or is this out of the ordinary? I worry because most people seem to have gotten the letter before their status changed. On a different note because I'm going to will it to come through soon, my Police Clearance is going to run out in about two months, possibly before I leave. Is it worth getting another one? Do I need a valid one when I land?
  22. Mauritz

    Express Entry Question

    Hi - I'm still very early in the process, have been doing research and consultations with immigration attorney, but before i go through the process i just wanted to check whether people with a score under 440 had been drawn out of the Pool? And do you know whether people could be selected for Provincial programs even if their score is 'lower' than the 1000 people they select?
  23. I have another question where I'm sure the answer is staring me the face, but I'm a little scared to take the step without confirmation. I found this thread by @Raquel about paying the (RPRF) but I didn't find any consensus on how it's achieved and it was dated November and I know some things have changed. I found an update in MyCIC profile asking for payment but I don't see anywhere in the MyCIC to pay them, like I did the application fee. I googled around and found this:, also mentioned by @MaryJane in that same thread. Am I supposed to pay through this place and attach the receipt as an additional document, or am I missing something glaringly obvious. Help?
  24. MaryJane

    Express Entry Year End Report 2015 Some information:
  25. I didn't see this in this forum yet, and I went looking for information on the documents needed for the EE Application. One of our wonderful members posted up their journey which was so super helpful I think I cried when I saw it, but I wanted to see for any official documentation help and I tripped over this: It's basically exactly what the CIC wants with each document, out of the (metaphorical) horse's mouth. I'm taking my chances and following it to the letter. I hope it helps the other applicants! (and for those who got their ITA on 13 Jan, GOOD LUCK FOR SUNDAY!)